Do Your Own Thing with Richard Phoenix and Jen Calleja

​What does it mean to be ‘independent’ in 2025? To operate in the margins, to explore outside of dominant narratives, and to stay curious and mischievous while doing so? Perhaps, we need to become goblins.

​Richard Phoenix and Jen Calleja touch down in Lisbon to answer our big questions, and discuss their books Do Your Own Thing and Goblinhood: Goblin as a Mode, published by Rough Trade Books.

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