Navigating Complexity: Systems Thinking for Public Sector Leaders

​Live Podcast + Q&A with Vishal George @ School of Systems Thinking

​How can public sector leaders navigate complexity and drive meaningful change?

​In this People Who Think in SYSTEMS conversation, James Dodwell will reveal how systems thinking drives organisational change, enhances decision-making, and equips public sector leaders with practical tools to navigate complexity.

​First Half Interview:
✔️ Seeing the System in Action – How James's freediving experiences reshaped his understanding of risk, resilience, and systems thinking.
✔️ Perverse Incentives – Revealing examples on how regulatory structures unintentionally drive the wrong behaviours.
✔️ Organisations as Ecosystems – Uncovering the hidden forces that shape entire industries and sectors.

​Second Half Interactive:
✔️ Audience Live Q&A – Share your questions or reflections about applying systems thinking to navigate complexity.

​About James Dodwell

​James Dodwell is a regulatory systems expert with over 20 years of experience in enhancing efficiency, collaboration, and strategic whole-system improvements across industries.

​Previously, as Principal Advisor for Regulatory Systems at Taumata Arowai, he led major system interventions. He’s also held key advisory roles at EEA New Zealand and WorkSafe New Zealand, driving strategic change and regulatory innovation.

​With a Master’s in Ergonomics (Human Factors) and a background in Psychology, James brings a unique perspective—blending emotional intelligence, creativity, and strategic system design to tackle complex, multidisciplinary challenges.

​Watch our previous interviews here - https://schoolofsystemsthinking.substack.com/